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one boy, one murder, 24 years worth of trials

In response to a comment in a post from some time this month, I had prepared a rather long entry about crime on Long Island; mainly the famous crimes (Amy Fisher, Amityville Horror, etc.) that have happened here.

One of the murders I had mentioned in the unposted piece was that of John Pius, a thirteen year old boy who was killed by some older neighborhood thugs, who shoved rocks down in his throat in an attempt to make sure he would never rat them out for stealing a mini bike. Pius choked and suffocated on those rocks.

One of the murders I had mentioned in the unposted piece was that of John Pius, a thirteen year old boy who was killed by some older neighborhood thugs, who shoved rocks down in his throat in an attempt to make sure he would never rat them out for stealing a mini bike. Pius choked and suffocated on those rocks.

Today it was announced that one of the defendants in that case will get a fourth trial.

John Pius was murdered in 1979. Twenty fours years have passed since that little boy was killed and the case is still being dragged through court.

It was April 29, 1979. I was not quite seventeen, a junior in high school. I would never imagine, as I read the Newsday the next morning and became obsessed with the case that 24 years later, I would be sitting here writing about it as if it were still fresh. In a way, it is fresh because the mistrials and bumbling of the case have kept this gaping wound open for the Pius family as if it were just inflicted.

Let me give you an idea of the depravity of this crime:

On April 20, 1979 John Pius, a thirteen-year-old boy, was heinously murdered by being trampled upon and beaten throughout his entire body, by having his mouth and throat plugged with stones and by then being buried and abandoned under leaves and debris, his status as a live boy or corpse being unknown at that time. A Suffolk County Grand Jury indicted four young men, petitioner Michael Quartararo, his brother Peter Quartararo, Robert Brensic and Thomas Ryan, charging them with complicity in the crime of murder in the second degree, Penal Law 125.25. The charge against Michael was that he, "acting in concert with and aided by the [other three defendants] with intent to cause the death of John Pius, caused his death by beating, kicking and shoving rocks in his mouth and throat." John Pius, a thirteen-year-old boy, was 5 feet 4 inches tall and weighed 116 pounds. The physician who performed the autopsy on him described his findings as follows.

John Pius presents multiple contusions and lacerations of the forehead, to the right of the midline. He had marked edema, congestion and hemorrhage of both eyes. He had petechial hemorrhage....[t]here was a hemorrhage of the nose. There was marked edema and congestion of both lips. There was hemorrhage of the gums. There was a breaking of one tooth. There was a stone rock in the mouth. There was marked edema, congestion and hemorrhage of the right side of the face. There was multiple contusions and lacerations of the neck, anteriorally, laterally, and in back of both ears there was marked contusions and lacerations. There were marked contusions and lacerations of the chest, of the right shoulder anteriorally and on top of the right shoulder, on the right clavicle area. There were also other areas to the right of the umbilicals, on the right costal margin and the waistline, on both thighs, both knees, both ankles and both hands. Also in the back there were numerous superficial lacerations. These in a parallel pattern, parallel to another, and another crossing, that they extended from the mid-part of the back to both buttochs [sic]. And there were three points of pressure on the back. One in each scapula area and one in the lower part of the midline. Quartararo v. Hanslmaier, 2nd Cir. 1998.

John Pius, whose family had gathered neighbors together in a search for the boy when he failed to return home one night, was found - dead - by his father.

One of the defendants in the case, Thomas Ryan, who was all of 17 when the murder occurred, will be getting a new trial at the age of 41.

This is a case that was frought with mistrials, accusations of police corruption, jury tampering and lack of evidence. The four boys who were arrested for the murder, Ryan, Robert Brensic, then 17; Peter Quartararo, then 15; and Peter's brother, Michael Quartararo, then 14, have all at one time or another maintained their innoncence.

Brensic pleaded guilty to manslaughter after a mistrial and has completed his sentence. Peter Quartararo's murder conviction was thrown out in 1989, and he was never retried. Michael Quartararo, Peter's brother, is the only defendant now in prison.

Most of the mistrials and reversals have been caused by prosecutors' reliance on a confession by Peter Quartararo that appellate courts consistently have ruled inadmissible because they said it was coerced by police.

At Ryan's 1990 retrial, the appellate court said Suffolk County Court Judge Thomas Mallon erred when he allowed a detective to testify that he told other detectives to read Ryan his rights immediately after hearing from the detectives interrogating Peter Quartararo.

The jury did not hear that Quartararo had confessed, but the federal appellate court ruled the jury was left "with nothing to conclude other than that Peter had accused Ryan.Ē

Techincalities aside, here you have four kids that, without a doubt in mind, brutally killed a little boy. One of the defendants said in his trial that Pius cried out for his mother several times while they were beatinghim. That fact remains the most harrowing images that stays with me to this day.

It is incomprehensible to me that 24 years later, the Pius family still has to live through this. It never goes away, it never gets put in the recess of their minds because it is always fresh.

Is there something wrong with the legal system or is it that this particular set of circumstances all meshed to make a legal disaster?

It's always been my feeling that all four boys were guilty as sin. I love our legal system and I appreciate our laws, but sometimes they conspire to work against us.

The Pius family will once again have to drag out their memories of that day and the pain and the suffering that came after it. Hopefully, this time the People of the State of New York will be able to convict without the supposedly coerced confession of Peter Quartararo and put this case to rest once and for all.

Newsday's previous coverage of the murder and trial(s)

note* While researching this case, I came across this, from the Book Reporter - a review of a John Grisham book by Michael Quartararo, in which he refers to the Pius case and maintains that the jury in his trial was corrputed.

Comments

It's a shame that one botched interrogation can blow a whole murder case. This case reminds me of the Jean-Benet Ramsey case... everyone knows who did it. Unfortunately, because of police error, they can never prove it in court.

To me, the fact that this case is going on trial for the 4th time means our justice system works. I'm glad they're not giving up. I hope they get the justice they deserve in this trial.

theresa, who did it? Sorry, I'm still foggy. I mean, I know everybody says it was the parents, but which one?

Anyway, not the point of this post.

I would just think it would REALLY suck to see the murderer of your child, 24 years later, married with a child. Not in jail. Not being punished for what he did. Getting to live the life and experience the things that he stole from your child. Can't even imagine going through that, and I hope I never have to.

I hate it when I'm a moron in the morning. (Yes, it's just in the morning, and yes, it happens often.)

That post up there was from moi. sheesh.

I remember this case well. I grew up in Hauppauge, which was the next town over from Smithtown, where it happened. I was in 6th grade at the time.

sigh My heart goes out to the parents. 24 years with no closure. What a nightmare!

I don't understand how people can do such horrible things like that. And those poor parents! I can't imagine how hard this must be for them.

And now I'm going to make you feel old... I was two months away from being born when that happened. My ENTIRE LIFE that case has been dragging on and on and on and on and...

That's just not right.

Yup, sure does sound like the Ramsey case. Boulder cops are incompetent fools. The only thing they seem to be good at is having SWAT pull my friend out of his pickup truck because some asswipe reported that he was loading a rifle in the parking lot. They confiscated (stole?) his rifles for his protection, too. Boulder is a stain on my beautiful state. I hope Long Island isn't as bad...

The reason this case has dragged on for more than two decades is because it is quite possible that the police made mistakes in the first few minutes of their investigation, raced off in the wrong direction and (like a great many people in Suffolk, it seems), concluded that neighborhood kids killed John Pius.

But outside of Peter Quartaro's confession --- which is flawed in both legal and factual ways -- all the evidence points AWAY from these neighborhood kids.

I wrote a long, two-part article about this case in NEW YORK Magazine in 1982. If anyone wants to read it, please e-mail your name and address and I'll mail you a copy.
Once you have read a carefully reported, fact-based piece, THEN it would be good to discuss what this case is really about --- and to ask: Who killed John Pius?

Why is it that after all these years, the fact that a sexual predator who was known to be in the area and has confessed to the Pius killing has been swept under the rug. Are you people aware that these boys returned home and ate brownies and drank milk with their mother after supposedly committing this crime? They were children at the time, not even the most viscious of animals could have pulled snacking with Mom after a crime that horriffic. I do feel for the Pius family, Mostly pity, for the true killer of their child got away scott free.............

Sorry, I disagree...

too bad they didn't choke on the brownies...sorry, but I was only 9 at the time and remember this happening...it affected me deeply and I hope they suffer each and every day for what they did.

Those resonsible for suffocating this little boy, for leaving his body out in the cold, for ruining his life and the life of his family - those who now walk the earth as "free" men - MAY THEY MEET AN END A MILLION TIMES AS HORRIBLE AS THE END THEY INFLICTED ON THIS POOR, INNOCENT CHILD.

And may no one shed a tear for them.

It's too bad none of you actually know the details of the investigation, proceedings and the actual truth of what transpired. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for getting information from self serving printings like 'Newsday' and 'Daily News'. Where do you think they glean their information? The Suffolk County Police - SURPRISE. The one thing I can tell you is that the Suffolk County Police and DA are as corrupt as any mafia family or third world government. If you happen to get caught in one of their web spinning, especially around election time, good freaking luck. They botched this case from the beginning and because of it four young men lost the best days of their lives and one or more killers have been walking free from the beginning. I'm not going to attempt to persuade you, most of you are so brainwashed that it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came out of the sky and told you they were innocent. I will share a few bits of information to you. 1. The medical examiner that performed the autopsy and wrote records for this case did not even have a license to practice in New York State - he fled. Look it up, if you don't believe me. 2. It was proven beyond any doubt what-so-ever that rocks were NOT shoved down the young boys throat. This was a total fabrication concocted by the detectives to make the crime more horrible to sway public opinion when they would announce their suspects. It was proven that he was beat either to death or to total unconsciousness (just before he expired) and was dragged face down by his feet across a playground and baseball field. The rocks and dirt that were found in his mouth/throat area got there from the dragging. When John's neighbor found the boy, he was face down under leaves and sticks. He turned the boy over to see if he could help him. In doing so, the materials that collected in his mouth moved further down his throat (but not far). His throat is in a jar as evidence. John had only one cracked tooth, if someone was trying to put stones in your mouth, they would not succeed unless they broke your teeth out or you were already unconscious or dead. There were no signs of John even trying to expel the materials in his mouth/throat; natural gagging reflexes would have left those sorts of signs - none present. John was already dead when the materials were introduced into his mouth. One of the most honored judges, Stuart Namm, totally reversed his beliefs of this case after he began seeing signs of corruption in Suffolk County. He called for a special prosecutor and was eventually driven out of the one place he was most looked up to. Guess what - Thomas Spota was the DA then like he is now. It won't take long before he shows everyone his true spots.
Obviously, I'm not leaving my name becaue of the backlash of the people that are supposed to be protecting you. Soon Marty Tankleff will be proven innocent and more of the Suffolk dirty laundry will come out. Remember, they are the only county in the United States of America with a 99% confession rate.

You all really do not have a clue. Keep getting your pathetic information from Newsday, Daily News, The Post and now, into the fray, News12. If you still have a brain cell left in your head, think about this...they make their money by selling this BS to you and you soak it up and ask for more. Do you actually expect them to tell you the truth? They're going to make it what ever story they can leech onto sound as horrifying as possible. If a cat were stuck in a tree, they would be able to make it into such important news that you would read with a gaping jaw and say to yourself that "something must be done about this" If you believe this crap and the poor fools above my posts, you're living in a total dream world. Wake up before it's too late and happens to you.

to "someone who knows":
please email me privately at: nanduskin@aol.com in regard to marty tankleff. thanks very much.

It's too bad none of you actually know the details of the investigation, proceedings and the actual truth of what transpired. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for getting information from self serving printings like 'Newsday' and 'Daily News'. Where do you think they glean their information? The Suffolk County Police - SURPRISE. The one thing I can tell you is that the Suffolk County Police and DA are as corrupt as any mafia family or third world government. If you happen to get caught in one of their web spinning, especially around election time, good freaking luck. They botched this case from the beginning and because of it four young men lost the best days of their lives and one or more killers have been walking free from the beginning. I'm not going to attempt to persuade you, most of you are so brainwashed that it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came out of the sky and told you they were innocent. I will share a few bits of information to you. 1. The medical examiner that performed the autopsy and wrote records for this case did not even have a license to practice in New York State - he fled. Look it up, if you don't believe me. 2. It was proven beyond any doubt what-so-ever that rocks were NOT shoved down the young boys throat. This was a total fabrication concocted by the detectives to make the crime more horrible to sway public opinion when they would announce their suspects. It was proven that he was beat either to death or to total unconsciousness (just before he expired) and was dragged face down by his feet across a playground and baseball field. The rocks and dirt that were found in his mouth/throat area got there from the dragging. When John's neighbor found the boy, he was face down under leaves and sticks. He turned the boy over to see if he could help him. In doing so, the materials that collected in his mouth moved further down his throat (but not far). His throat is in a jar as evidence. John had only one cracked tooth, if someone was trying to put stones in your mouth, they would not succeed unless they broke your teeth out or you were already unconscious or dead. There were no signs of John even trying to expel the materials in his mouth/throat; natural gagging reflexes would have left those sorts of signs - none present. John was already dead when the materials were introduced into his mouth. One of the most honored judges, Stuart Namm, totally reversed his beliefs of this case after he began seeing signs of corruption in Suffolk County. He called for a special prosecutor and was eventually driven out of the one place he was most looked up to. Guess what - Thomas Spota was the DA then like he is now. It won't take long before he shows everyone his true spots.
Obviously, I'm not leaving my name becaue of the backlash of the people that are supposed to be protecting you. Soon Marty Tankleff will be proven innocent and more of the Suffolk dirty laundry will come out. Remember, they are the only county in the United States of America with a 99% confession rate.

Posted by: Someone who knows at November 13, 2003 09:01 PM

I wish you and Marty good luck. He will need it in Suffolk County. Get a change of venue if you want ot have a fighting chance. Me, my friends and family have had enough. Speak with Jesse Kornbuth, he has his head on straight. He might be able to help you. Again, good luck, and like they say in the X-files - TRUST NO ONE.

To "Someone Who Knows":

Would you be able to speak with me privately? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sounds to me like "Someone Who Knows" is non other then Scott Michael Quartararo, cousin to Michael and Peter. We lived together, and I had found a newspaper article printed from the computer laying on the coffee table, I questioned him about it (as I was horrified about reading it and thought it was him who did this sick crime). He asked me how I got the article, and I informed him that he left it laying around. He was in shock that he had left it where I could see it, and said he thought he had put it away out of sight. He wouldnt tell me if it was him or not, but then finally admitted it was his cousin. And he seemed to "know" a lot about what had happened, which concerned me. I talked to a few people about it, and then dropped it as I was afraid to know anything else. I wouldnt doubt if Scott was there when it happened, or if his cousins had told him what "really" happened to that poor innocent boy. But I do know one thing, Scott's entire life is a lie, he walks around with a great deal of guilt (I can see it in his eyes), he hides his past and does not disclose much about it, he is also a cheater, liar, theif, user, and abuser! I know I was with him for over 2 years, and gave birth to his babies. And that sure sounds like him, the use of phrases, sentences, and all....that has to be him as "Someone Who Knows".

This case has been haaunting me for years. I was good friends with all the suspects and would sometimes walk home from school with john pius.THERES ANOTHER SIDE to this case.The first suspect picked up the day after the murder who lived across the street from john. I have had run ins with him and he is a very sick person. After all the cases were tried the suuffolk county detectives followed this guy around.DOES ANYONE KNOW his hang out was an old house just down the hill from the murder . THE POLICE DID.SHAME ON YOU WHO KNOW THE TRUTH I HOPE IT HAUnTS YOU TOO.. I know many more details about this case if some is writting a book contact me please.

Look, I told you I wouldn't tell you who I was. I'm not a quartararo. I'll hang around to answer some questions but that's the extent to my contributions, I'm sorry that I couldn't help you further. R.Thomas is obviosly speaking of Robert Burke. He went around telling everyone that he did it because he put his penis in the kids mouth and that he had a "rock collection" Remember that R.Thomas?. Robert Burke was, and always will be, an idiot. He dropped out of the picture by joining the Army, I believe it was. The last I heard he was in Germany somewhere. The police didn't do much of a check on this kid. He said he was at a party someowhere and it was collaborated by his girlfriend. That was enought for the Suffolk County Police. Look, they targeted the four immediately. No one talks about Eddie Pembroke or the fact that the kids own father told the police that an hour after his son was late coming back he was out at the stores (King Kullen) checking in dumpsters. Is that normal behavior? Don't belive me? Read the transcripts. The kids father was a martial arts instructor, John was a black belt. None of the four kids who got the blame had nary a scratch on them. He didnt't have anyhing under his fingernails. What, the kid volunteered to be beaten to death? Look into the facts and forget the bullshit that you read in Newsday. It was all fed to them by the Suffolk County Police. Ask Questions. I'll answer them. R. Thomas, if you know the case so well, you probably know me, that's all I'll say. I am planning on writing the story I will not use any real names, but those who really know about the case will easily understand. Enough for now. I must say, I'm impressed that a lot of you have not attacked or "flamed" me. It shows some character on your part and maybe, just maybe an open mind.

Someone who knows

One more thing. R. Thomas, you failed to mention the fiasco with one of the suspects. The police had him in questioning, took his shoes, and lied to his mother when she was calling in a frenzy because her son was missing. Only when the police found out that this suspects father was a retired NY Detective, they let him go. R. Thomas, ,you know him? Name him. I have no shame. The four are completely innocent and have suffered a travesty along with all of us who stood behind them and suffered with them.

Unbelievable someone who knows! What do you know unless you were there as well? By his own admission, Michael Quartararo was a "punk kid who thought he could do what he wanted to do whenever he wanted to do it." Forget the stones if you can, the beating this group of animals put on this barely a teen should have kept them in jail for much longer. If you can kill another human being over something so senseless you could surely choke down some of moms brownies.R. Thomas, ,you know him? Name him. I have no shame.true you have no shame R B FOTD

Maybe I was there, you mindless twit. Do you have any idea how many of us used to hang out at that school yard? Huh? How about Great Hollow in Smithtown? There too. What about the High School? We hung out wherever we could. I hate to break the news to you folks but his own father most likely killed the kid. There were serious marital problems going on. John Senior was a martial arts instructor, John Junior was a black belt. The only one with any sign of an injury at the time of Johns disappearance was on the father, his arm was in a sling! I WAS THERE. Why did John Senior sign a statment to the police that he was checking in the King Kullen dumpster A HALF HOUR after his son was late returning home! Not too suspicious. The police were totally inept. I hope they got better. Like I tried to explain before, the police were told the truth about the motorless minibike. It was taken from the street in the front yard trash of a house in point of woods, It was trash - get it! No Motor, flats - Worthess unlesss you wanted to tinker with it. For that, four young innocent kids had to go to jail? The police did a good job of using the media to their advantage, as usual, especailly during a voting year ("This doesn't happen in Smithtown", no, our noses are too high in the air for something like that to happen - someone has to pay, and pay fast, or we'll all lose our jobs). Suffolk is so corrupt it isn't funny. Why would someone give a damn if you were going to report to the authorities that they were taking a piece of TRASH. Wake up already! Suffolk has a 99% confession rate! Read Jesse Kornbluths New Yorker Articles - Trouble Boys. Where's Robert Burke, the nut job? Or is that the RB who just wrote? What ever happened to the multi-million dollar lawsuit the O'Neills served against Suffolk for lying about the whereabouts of their son. They quieted that up nicely, didn't they? Maybe the idiot Spota wouldn't have been re-elected had the people known the truth. Answer me this. It's easy for you people to sit in your comfy friggin' easy chairs. Well imagine years and years in a cage for something you DID NOT DO. How would that make you feel? People with no clue as to what happened passing judgement - what a sham! Like I said before, you are all brain-washed to the point that Jesus Christ could appear out of thin air and tell you what really happened and you wouldn't even believe him. Have you seen John's body? Where did the three prominent marks on his back come from? Better yet, how does the justice system allow juries to be tainted by biased lying jurors and get away with it? There were signed affidavits that one of the jurors had known stories about the previous cases that they were sworn to have had no knowledge of. The idiot in case made at least two of the jurors in the last trial break down and cry because he pounded them with the Quateraro stories. "They are in jail, he was with them, he did it too." They deliberated DAYS on the last trial. They were coming back with a not guilty verdict until the one holdout juror pushed and pushed. Was he paid? Was he related? At the time, a deal was offered of time served, no admition of guilt what-so-ever. Twelve years ago because Mazzei was so sure the jury would find Thomas Ryan innocent that he was scared shitless. Thomas turned it down because HE WAS INNOCENT. EVEN MAZZEI BELIEVED HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT- ASK HIM. Tom wouldn't even had to have say he did anything. Game over. He wanted to clear his good name, preserve his integrity. But not in Suffolk County you don't. No, you have no chance. Period. They wouldn't even let a change of venue with all the publicity the case drew. Why do you think? The people on Brooklyn would have laughed this case out of the courtroom. So much for justice. Just for the record, because this is the last itme I'm allowing this forum to get a rise out of me. Michael is paroled now. Robert took a plea a long time ago and is long gone, Peter was NEVER retried - no case against him, Thomas pleaded guilty to 1st degree ATTEMPTED manslaughter - time served. you hear that? First Degree ATTEMPTED manslaughter. It's over. Go back to your oblivious little worlds out there in Suffolk County until death comes knocking at your door or until the Suffolk County Police zero in on you as a suspect. Remember this - Whoever killed that poor kid NEVER paid for it. He/She/They walked among you, me, your kids, whoever, and most likely STILL DO. Sleep well.

Someone who knows.

Someone who knows:

I am the owner of this site and the author of the original posting. I'd like to talk about this privately in email. Please send me a note at the above email address. I'm thinking about doing an updated story on the whole thing and I'd specifically like to interview you.

what I don't understand is what motive the father would have for killing his own son. please explain. thanks.

FOM

Every parent wants to kill their children at one time or another....but the normal ones don't go through with it regardless how angry they are.

Wow that was enlightening You really think that most parents donít go through with it. I guess you and the murders are truly the lucky ones. RB FOTD

What I don't understand is why almost everyone posts anonymously to this log. What is the big secret? From what or who are you hiding? And for the record, normal parents never even consider killing their children. And who says there's always a motive for killing someone. It could have been anger, resentment, greed, retaliation, vindictiveness or just plan evil. Who knows why someone kills another human being. I wish people got this worked up about state-sponsored killings imposed by our courts.

RB FOTD that makes no sence what you wrote so i see we are dealing with a very smart individual.

I remember reading or hearing that the father told the son not to take the bicycle out. When the father came back home he was gone with the bike therefore the father went looking for him but did not find him.
Hummm a little suspicious to me.
It's just so horrible that this kid had to loose his life over nothing and was attacked like an animal.
I really don't think these boys were stupid enough to kill someone over a mini bike that they picked up from the garbage. Just doesn't make sense.

I've said numerous times why I post anonymously. If you don't get it, sorry.

Michele, I apologize, but I can not, at this time, submit to an interview. I will keep you in mind, though.

It is not a nice thing to say, but neither of John's parents were wrapped too tight. They had severe marital problems well before this horrific incident.

FOM - Why did John Sr. have motive to kill his son? If the cops didn't screw everything up like they did we would all know. Why did Susan Baker Drown all her children. Unfortunately, there are many people in this world that do not see things as you or I might.

I hope this is the last time necessary to point these DOCUMENTED facts out. John Sr. told the police that he went looking for his son a half hour after he was supposed to be back from their fixing his flat tire - in the dumpsters behind King Kullen!

The bicycle was found, in close proximity to the body. The only finger prints on the bike, other than John Juniors was his FATHERS.

His father had injuries! His father was a martial arts instructor, his son a black belt. No kid they brought in for questioning had any mark on them what so ever.

John was killed by severe trauma to his neck/upper chest area. Say from a roundhouse kick perhaps? I already explained that in no way what so ever were rocks shoved down this kids thoat. They go there from being dragged proabably by one person, face down across the baseball field. This was propoganda made by the Police Department to make the crime more hienous than it was (if that is possible). You need to be angry to convict someone, you need to want the person responsible punished severly if not equally. The BS that the Police leaked to Newsday's reporter was to create this. There is no physical evidence AT ALL connecting those convicted to this crime. Nothing!

This may be a stupid question but, Why is the father looking in dumpsters for his son?

It certainly is not a stupid question.
It is one that should have raised serious red flags but didn't. John Pius Senior, in a signed affidavit, told the police those exact words, it's in the records, no one can refute it. He said he feared the worse. Imagine that...fearing the worse when your 13 year old is 1/2 hour late coming home from riding his bike around the neighborhood (safe Smithtown, no less.) To me, that is totally indicative of someone acting very suspicious. That statement was a total give away. Especailly in Smithtown where 'things like this just don't happen here', he immediately feared the worse? John had just enough time to sneak the body to the schoolyard where he would know that any of the groups, yes groups, of kids hanging out there would be suspects. Do yourself a favor, really. Read Jesse Kornbluth's two part article in the New Yorker magazine called Trouble Boys. It will clear a lot of things up and leave you knowing that the four convicted could not have committed the crime by the police's own theory, It would have taken a seasoned hitman with a lot of luck to do what the Suffolk Police think 4 kids 17 yrs old and younger did. Then act normal afterwards. Jesse wrote a reply above, read it, he will gladly send you the articles. He worked hard for it. So hard in fact that he was threatened that acid would be thrown into his face and he had to resort to wearing fake clear glasses, ask him. So, yes, I know a lot about this case.

If Eddie is reading this. What did John tell you when you called about the fishing trip and asked to speak to John. He was already reported missing at the time of your call. You were his best friend! did the father ask you if you had even seen him? Acording to your statements, no. Come on now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist question it and to at least give it a look. Maybe it isn't the case, but the four convicted defintely were not the ones and the police built a false case around innocent defenceless kids. It sickens me. And it should sicken you too.

I'm telling you, get the REAL facts. you won't believe the difference between what is factual and what was totally fabricated by the police and Newsday. Hey, it sells papers and gets people re-elected. So what that more than five families were torn apart by this tragedy.

Look, I'm going to write the story, there is no doubt about it. I will use the facts of the case. It is not time yet. If I keep going on here, I'll have written the book via postings. So, unless you really need another reply, I'm just gonna watch.

Michele, you'll get your interview then.

Let's free these boys(now men) names. Their lives have been ruined and you can't go back in time.

It's time that the murderer pays.

He/they put John and four boys through HELL.

Let them and their family members walk with their heads held high again.
Let the Puis family know the truth of their little boy and put all to rest.

Someone who knows- make sure you tell us when you write your book.

Let me tell you all something,i was at the heart of that investigation.i was the one the police picked up first.and tryed to get me to CONFESS.these clueless investigtors had'nt a clue who was responsible.I hung out in that school every night leading up to that night,playing frizby.and yes smoking pot and drinking beer.i was well known to the kids in the area and that made me a marked man well a marked kid i was only 16 at the time.the day the body wes found i was in the area. i approached the detectives at the sceane and asked how the boy had been killed.the detective whose name was rodregaz said,the boy was beaten to death.then he ask me my name.i gave my name .he pulled a note pad from his pocket,flipped the page and at the top of the prime suspects list was my name.well let me tell you,i did'nt have a goddam thing to do with this murder but the 4th precinct and they're storm troopers had adifferent agenda.two nignts after the murder,i was on my way to afriends house just a few hundred yards from the murder site.two unmarked police cars pulled in front and in back of me.they removed me from my bycyle and FORCED ME INTO A CAR.they then drove me to the 4th precintc.they never told my parents who thought i met the same fate as jonny pius.my father and older sister searched the woods where pius was found looking for my body.and yes my mother did call franticly to that precintc looking for help.when they had me where no one could help me,they gave me a confession THEY WROTE AND WANTED ME TO SIGN.it said i wantd to steal his bike and some other bullshit .they said they knew the murder happend some time after 10pm but when there time line wouldnt work they changed the circumstances.i was in that scool yard at 800pm when i got there ryan brensic and quartararo were just leaving.the only way the police new about them is beacuse I TOLD THEM. thoes basteards held me for 7 hours trying to get me to confess.at one point there were 9 detectives in the room with me.i was stripped,slapped and verbely abbused.not allowed to call home.detectives GILL and RECK played good cop bad cop.and a dam good job of it.i was seared shit.then one cop said we know the word on the street is not to talk to the cops,i replied i talk to one every night.dect, rodregaz said what do you mean. i said my dad is a COP.when i said that they all turned white.they allleft the room and in two minutes returned. they began to thank me for my cooperation.this is after 10 minutes earlear trying to get me to sign a confession they wrote!some of this might seem incoherent and a bit skipped arround.but after 25 years of thinking of this itmmakes me nutz.one more thing...at ryans first toward the end of my days of testimony,the dect, in charge of the investigation detective SGT JENSEN had me alone outside the court room and said ....we still think you killed john pius how do you fell about that.i said i didnt kill anybody.you've sent 3 innocent kids to jail and about to send a fourth ..how do you feel about that????

I don't know if it's a good idea for you to be putting this all down here.

If you get a chance, please email me.

-Michele

Thank you, M. Don't email anyone. It will all come out eventually. But Michele is right I'm stopping my posts, none of anyone caught up in this wants it to rear it's ugly head.

thinking back on that nightmare i wonder if any of those cops can sleep at night knowing what they did.What kind of person could do such a thing,knowingly sending an innocent person to jail.Thats as close to murder in the first degree as you can get.and NEWSDAY you schould be ashamed of yourself.you put thoes kids on trial in your headlines.You had them guilty befor the the first gavle went down.that knucklehead reporter you sent...i cant remeber his name..that S.O.B usedto eat lunch with the ADAs and detectives during breaks at trial.Fair, balanced unbiased.I ddont think so....and to someone who knows..thanks for this.People need to know the truth!

Come on now stand up and fess up.

You thought you were going to walk free of this evil doing.

You must pay not only for the the murder but for the horror you put these ,then younge men through. You ruin their lives, their families lives and their childrens lives.

You will pay soon here on earth then later on judgement day.
You tell me you sleep at night- i hope John haunts you forever.

You made his mother hate all those boys who are innocent. You made her look like a fool because she was weak and couldn't think straight.

All those involved "the Policemen" come on come clean- tell how you were wrong- go talk to a 16 year old now and see how they can't lie for long. And the 16 was the oldest.

You took innocent lives. What if that was your son. Oh yeah my kids wouldn't be hanging out in the park......BULLSHIT they were doing what all kids did then and now.

Sorry im just venting but the time is here let the truth come.

you must have miss understood. it wasnt an admission of guilt.it was alesson on how thoes cops conducted thier investigation.they pulled you in and tryed to beat aconfession out knowing dam well you had nothing to do with what happend

I know i wasn't putting the blame on you But i bet the the murderer is reading this.

I know i wasn't putting the blame on you But i bet the the murderer is reading this.

The reporters name was Steve Wick

It might be interesting to watch "48 hours" on CBS next Wed - April 6 - will be covering the Marty Tankleff Case, another instance where a teenager was railroaded by Suffolk Co and there is great doubt that he was guilty.

It might be interesting to watch "48 hours" on CBS next Wed - April 6 - will be covering the Marty Tankleff Case, another instance where a teenager was railroaded by Suffolk Co and there is great doubt that he was guilty.

Thanks for the info. I always believed - and still do - That Marty is innocent.

You know Michele.... it really is time to change the beginning of this page - that is unless you still believe these people had anything to do with this crime. You're bordering on going from ignorant to oweing an apology in a fast way. Change the page - will you? No need to spread ignorance. Read the other posts.

Change -

I did in fact do a complete turnaround on how I feel about the guilt of the people convicted on the crimes. I wrote a little about it here.

Just discovered this conversation, Mike and Peter do not have a cousin or relative named Scott Michael - sounds like the girl is a bit histerical(or she has some attraction/obsession).

I thought about john last night (11/2/04). I was curious about what the killers were up too. See I was friends with John Pius the night he was murdered. He and I and a couple of other friends would hang out alot. I was 13 at the time and it was my birthday, one of my friends came to my house to tell me what happened. We all thought John was running away from home because he thought his parents were splitting up. I also knew Michael Quateraro. I went to school with both of them.